Author Topic: The Lesson of Dunkirk It’s one Ted Cruz Republicans must learn. Thomas Sowell  (Read 7265 times)

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Sowell stumbled into something he probably didn't plan to with his analogy. While on the surface, Dunkirk was a 'battle they coldn't win' and a loss, it was actually a very important strategic battle.

The battle of Dunkirk happened after the battle for France had already lost, however, the French uniting to help evacuate the allied soldiers actually created the roots of a major underground resistance in France. At the time, the allies didn't view Dunkirk as a loss but as a victory as those 300K troops were successfully rescued.

Oh, and when all those soldiers were evacuated, they left behind a lot of equipment that was used later by the French resistance.

There is an old book Sowell should read: "The Importance of Dunkirk Consider'd: In Defence of the Guardian of August the 7th" by Sir Richard Steele.

So in this case, Cruz should accept the comparison, because, while the uninformed may look at what he is doing as a 'battle he cannot win', the reality is he is creating the roots of resistance for a larger war.

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Getting really fed up with all the bullshit around here........ :whistle:

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Sowell stumbled into something he probably didn't plan to with his analogy. While on the surface, Dunkirk was a 'battle they coldn't win' and a loss, it was actually a very important strategic battle.

The battle of Dunkirk happened after the battle for France had already lost, however, the French uniting to help evacuate the allied soldiers actually created the roots of a major underground resistance in France. At the time, the allies didn't view Dunkirk as a loss but as a victory as those 300K troops were successfully rescued.

Oh, and when all those soldiers were evacuated, they left behind a lot of equipment that was used later by the French resistance.

There is an old book Sowell should read: "The Importance of Dunkirk Consider'd: In Defence of the Guardian of August the 7th" by Sir Richard Steele.

So in this case, Cruz should accept the comparison, because, while the uninformed may look at what he is doing as a 'battle he cannot win', the reality is he is creating the roots of resistance for a larger war.

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Getting really fed up with all the bullshit around here........ :whistle:

So am I! But I somehow doubt that the BS I'm fed up with is the same BS you are fed up with.

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I see sink is in a forced timeout.  That is not what I wanted.

He is permanently in time out with me.

Broken records get extremely tiresome eventually.
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He is permanently in time out with me.

Broken records get extremely tiresome eventually.

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The other day, I happened to post on a thread in which everybody was fully engaged in debating Cruz (what else is new?)

I quoted Sinkspur in my rant...but my reply was not directed at him personally.

Evidently not everybody caught that, because I was immediately quoted and cheered....in fact you called it a HOME RUN shot.

Coincidentally, all the kudos was from posters/mods that have a visceral dislike of Sinkspur.

Anyway, my point is that I disagree with Sinkspur regarding Ted Cruz...and IIRC, illegal immigration back during the Bush years.

We're still "friends" and fellow Republicans trying to beat back the Left.

All I can do is ask you to reevaluate or take the time to see it from a different perspective.

Thanks.   :beer:
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Yep. Despite any disagreements I might have with sinky, I like his hard-edged, concise responses. A definite value added poster.

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The other day, I happened to post on a thread in which everybody was fully engaged in debating Cruz (what else is new?)

I quoted Sinkspur in my rant...but my reply was not directed at him personally.

Evidently not everybody caught that, because I was immediately quoted and cheered....in fact you called it a HOME RUN shot.

Coincidentally, all the kudos was from posters/mods that have a visceral dislike of Sinkspur.

Anyway, my point is that I disagree with Sinkspur regarding Ted Cruz...and IIRC, illegal immigration back during the Bush years.

We're still "friends" and fellow Republicans trying to beat back the Left.

All I can do is ask you to reevaluate or take the time to see it from a different perspective.

Thanks.   :beer:

I agree DCP.  As I have said, sink is acerbic and he gives no quarter in his arguments.  But guess what?  Others here are just as opinionated as well.  Forums are made interesting because members bring their knowledge, life's experiences and opinions to the forum.  Even to those who hold opposite opinions to sink must appreciate his knowledge of the intricacies of Congressional proceedings and developments.  If he held a more mainstream opinion, at times, he'd be heralded as a scholar by the very people who criticize.

Sink is one of a couple members here who can piss me off like no other...   I won't say who the other is (Luis, I love you brother!).  But you know what?  I stop and read every post of theirs I come across.  Every. Single. One.  Why?  For me they bring value and substance and make me assess my own groundings and beliefs.  THAT has value.

Kudos to myst also.  What a thankless job she must have at times!
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Sowell stumbled into something he probably didn't plan to with his analogy. While on the surface, Dunkirk was a 'battle they coldn't win' and a loss, it was actually a very important strategic battle.

The battle of Dunkirk happened after the battle for France had already lost, however, the French uniting to help evacuate the allied soldiers actually created the roots of a major underground resistance in France. At the time, the allies didn't view Dunkirk as a loss but as a victory as those 300K troops were successfully rescued.

Oh, and when all those soldiers were evacuated, they left behind a lot of equipment that was used later by the French resistance.

There is an old book Sowell should read: "The Importance of Dunkirk Consider'd: In Defence of the Guardian of August the 7th" by Sir Richard Steele.

So in this case, Cruz should accept the comparison, because, while the uninformed may look at what he is doing as a 'battle he cannot win', the reality is he is creating the roots of resistance for a larger war.

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I agree DCP.  As I have said, sink is acerbic and he gives no quarter in his arguments.  But guess what?  Others here are just as opinionated as well.  Forums are made interesting because members bring their knowledge, life's experiences and opinions to the forum.  Even to those who hold opposite opinions to sink must appreciate his knowledge of the intricacies of Congressional proceedings and developments.  If he held a more mainstream opinion, at times, he'd be heralded as a scholar by the very people who criticize.

Sink is one of a couple members here who can piss me off like no other...   I won't say who the other is (Luis, I love you brother!).  But you know what?  I stop and read every post of theirs I come across.  Every. Single. One.  Why?  For me they bring value and substance and make me assess my own groundings and beliefs.  THAT has value.

Kudos to myst also.  What a thankless job she must have at times!

Kudos to you, friend!   :beer:

Every thread Sink hits...brings a conversation.   Which is required to make a "thread".

I'm confident all will work out fine.  Feel it in my bones!!   




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Just for S & Gs, Ted Cruz is the only senator that I see that most represents my values.
Others talk it but he's the only one that does it.
Having said that I will repeate that the best way to overcome the RINO/GTOP-e influence is to outnumber them. And the best way to outnumber them, IMHO, is to replace a dim with a TP.
You're NOT going to beat them by fighting with them. If there's one thing we can learn from the dims it's the strategy of incrementalism.
I disagree with Dr. Sowell in his analysis of Mr. Cruz.
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My goodness, this IS getting a little weird.  :whistle:




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My goodness, this IS getting a little weird.  :whistle:





LOL!! It is a whole lot better than the * bickering.  :beer:

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Not really.  The collective tongue bath going on here is a tad bizarre.   You yourself told the guy yesterday to get off the board and go out and get some fresh air. 

So 2-3 days of forced fresh air is gonna kill him?  I think it will kill you guys before it does him.  :silly:

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Not really.  The collective tongue bath going on here is a tad bizarre.   You yourself told the guy yesterday to get off the board and go out and get some fresh air. 

So 2-3 days of forced fresh air is gonna kill him?  I think it will kill you guys before it does him.  :silly:

I'm glad you have it all figured out Lip.  Like most things.
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I'm glad you have it all figured out Lip.  Like most things.

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George Washington did not have to fight futile battles in order to prove his courage. He was already well known for being in the thick of battles, with bullets whistling around his head. But he had to wait for situations where he had the enemy at a disadvantage, and then strike.

When Washington made his celebrated crossing of the Delaware, he was headed for a dramatic victory, using soldiers he had saved for just such a moment. Wars are about winning, not futile symbolic gestures that leave you worse off. Politics must be the same, if you are serious about the issues.

I'd be a little more sanguine if (a) we had a republican leadership that was "well known for being in the thick of battles, with bullets whistling around", and (b) at least some vague impression that the republicans are conserving forces for a "dramatic victory."

I see precious little evidence on either count.

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The other day, I happened to post on a thread in which everybody was fully engaged in debating Cruz (what else is new?)

I quoted Sinkspur in my rant...but my reply was not directed at him personally.

Evidently not everybody caught that, because I was immediately quoted and cheered....in fact you called it a HOME RUN shot.

Coincidentally, all the kudos was from posters/mods that have a visceral dislike of Sinkspur.

Anyway, my point is that I disagree with Sinkspur regarding Ted Cruz...and IIRC, illegal immigration back during the Bush years.

We're still "friends" and fellow Republicans trying to beat back the Left.

All I can do is ask you to reevaluate or take the time to see it from a different perspective.

Thanks.   :beer:

I currently have no way of knowing (my choice) what Sink has said previous to anything you might post and I'm afraid it's going to have to stay that way until he looses this one note band syndrome he currently suffers from. 

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Dissent at this point is not only futile, but risks suspension as well. The party line has been decided.

I think Sink got a bum deal.
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Dissent at this point is not only futile, but risks suspension as well. The party line has been decided.

I think Sink got a bum deal.

Now you're being unfair; apparently tit does go for tat.

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I'd be a little more sanguine if (a) we had a republican leadership that was "well known for being in the thick of battles, with bullets whistling around", and (b) at least some vague impression that the republicans are conserving forces for a "dramatic victory."

I see precious little evidence on either count.

I understand your point (a) above.  On your point (b), I do have, more than a vague, impression that they are conserving forces for a "dramatic victory," but that "victory" is not the same victory that you, I, and many others wish to see happen. 

At this point in time I don't think that it is a stretch at all to come to the conclusion (since all of the evidence in front of us points to it) that the victory they want is over the forces of Constitutional, Limited & Constrained Government patriots. 

I understand that some will not agree, and that is fine.

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I understand your point (a) above.  On your point (b), I do have, more than a vague, impression that they are conserving forces for a "dramatic victory," but that "victory" is not the same victory that you, I, and many others wish to see happen. 

At this point in time I don't think that it is a stretch at all to come to the conclusion (since all of the evidence in front of us points to it) that the victory they want is over the forces of Constitutional, Limited & Constrained Government patriots. 

I understand that some will not agree, and that is fine.

I'm not one of those who will disagree! Far from it in fact!
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Dissent at this point is not only futile, but risks suspension as well. The party line has been decided.

I think Sink got a bum deal.

TS... I will try to make this my last comment on the matter.  I make no bones about being a "fan" of sink (as one of our most esteemed members pointed out so adroitly).  In a post for all to see, I also suggested that he take a break - directly to him - just prior to or simultaneous his timeout. 

But I am going to say this - and I will say it only this one time.  What I found so reprehensible at TOS were the not the Zot-fests per se... but rather those individuals who would assemble like hyenas and dance on the freshly dug graves.  Disgusting and repulsive and vile.  But... as the saying goes... that's just me.

I can not tell you how fortunate we are to have the hosts we have at The Briefing Room.  They are so circumspect on these matters.  There are some members, however, who can smell blood when it is in the water.

I can count on my two hands those members who, in my view, drive the substance of this forum.  Sinkspur gets counted on the first hand.

Take your shots... I am moving on.

Edit:  Had a double "the"... as in "the the".  Bothered me.
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Dissent at this point is not only futile, but risks suspension as well. The party line has been decided.

I think Sink got a bum deal.

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Sorry you feel that way ts...I try to be fair to everyone here.

Indeed you do myst.  Thank you.
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