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Re: Can Mike Lee Save the Tea Party?
« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2014, 12:22:42 am »
WELL???

Can Mike Lee save the Tea Party?

The question assumes that the TEA party movement NEEDS saving. I don't think it does! In fact, I'm quite sure that it doesn't so why bother responding to a question the basis of which is fatally flawed?
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Re: Can Mike Lee Save the Tea Party?
« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2014, 12:28:33 am »
I've been gone all day. Get over yourself. I replied to your post and took out all but the part I replied to so you would know what I was replying to. What I didn't realize was I hit modify instead of quote since I was typing on my tiny little kindle and my fat fingers hit the wrong key.  No one moderated you and if you would have actually looked at the post you would see what I did was obvious to the most casual reader... if I wanted your posts moderated I would hit abuse like you do so liberally and let Myst contact you.

How does a moderator accidentally "modify" another person's post?  All I can modify are my own posts.

Interesting that this stuff only happens to those who aren't part of the amen chorus.
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Re: Can Mike Lee Save the Tea Party?
« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2014, 12:29:38 am »
How does a moderator accidentally "modify" another person's post?  All I can modify are my own posts.

Interesting that this stuff only happens to those who aren't part of the amen chorus.

You aren't a mod so you don't have the ability....... it is actually very easy to do and several times several of us have caught ourselves before hitting post.
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Re: Can Mike Lee Save the Tea Party?
« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2014, 12:30:00 am »
He isn't running for anything, so I think speaking from the position of someone who is not running for a higher office I think he is a good spokesman. However, his speech last night he stated we should allow all Americans to aspire to the Middle Class........ I think we should allow all Americans to aspire to be as rich as Buffett or Gates if they have the ability to get there.

Come on...stop parsing.

Most people rise through the Middle Class to breathe Buffett air.

He was on the new "Center Chair" on Bret Baier's  Big Hour on FOXNEWS this evening.
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Re: Can Mike Lee Save the Tea Party?
« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2014, 12:31:13 am »
Come on...stop parsing.

Most people rise through the Middle Class to breathe Buffett air.

He was on the new "Center Chair" on Bret Baier's  Big Hour on FOXNEWS this evening.

I saw that.  I like Mike Lee - a LOT.  I thought he was good on Center Chair, too.
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Re: Can Mike Lee Save the Tea Party?
« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2014, 01:26:48 am »
How does a moderator accidentally "modify" another person's post?  All I can modify are my own posts.

Interesting that this stuff only happens to those who aren't part of the amen chorus.

I've done it to myself once...that I know of.  :silly:

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Re: Can Mike Lee Save the Tea Party?
« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2014, 01:47:32 am »
You aren't a mod so you don't have the ability....... it is actually very easy to do and several times several of us have caught ourselves before hitting post.

Having modded a bit - I agree. You can modify your own posts here. Mods can modify any post. It is so damned easy to hit modify instead of quote and not notice until you hit the post button. By then - way too late.
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Re: Can Mike Lee Save the Tea Party?
« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2014, 02:03:42 am »
The question assumes that the TEA party movement NEEDS saving. I don't think it does! In fact, I'm quite sure that it doesn't so why bother responding to a question the basis of which is fatally flawed?

Excellent response, Bigun!

The true Tea Party is an abstract label put upon an enormous sea of fellow Americans who are fed up with Socialist domestic enemies.

Their number hopefully grows exponentially each year.

Problem is image and reaching the low information voter through an antagonistic mainstream media.
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Re: Can Mike Lee Save the Tea Party?
« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2014, 02:09:35 am »
Excellent response, Bigun!

The true Tea Party is an abstract label put upon an enormous sea of fellow Americans who are fed up with Socialist domestic enemies.

Their number hopefully grows exponentially each year.

Problem is image and reaching the low information voter through an antagonistic mainstream media.

An excellent response to Bigun's excellent response.

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Re: Can Mike Lee Save the Tea Party?
« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2014, 02:21:02 am »
An excellent response to Bigun's excellent response.

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Re: Can Mike Lee Save the Tea Party?
« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2014, 02:31:01 am »
How does a moderator accidentally "modify" another person's post?  All I can modify are my own posts.

Interesting that this stuff only happens to those who aren't part of the amen chorus.

It's very easy to do since the quote and modify button are next to ea other..once it happens it leaves the message at the bottom of the post which can't be removed unless you remove the whole post...I've done this many times and a solution to this is that once we accidentally do this we should leave a comment saying what happened.
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Re: Can Mike Lee Save the Tea Party?
« Reply #36 on: January 30, 2014, 02:31:08 am »
Exactly. A modern dictator seizes power with the consent of the people and without posting it on Twitter. Much as our little dictator is doing.

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Re: Can Mike Lee Save the Tea Party?
« Reply #37 on: January 30, 2014, 02:34:36 am »
Excellent response, Bigun!

The true Tea Party is an abstract label put upon an enormous sea of fellow Americans who are fed up with Socialist domestic enemies.

Their number hopefully grows exponentially each year.

Problem is image and reaching the low information voter through an antagonistic mainstream media.

A major problem in terms of the TEA Party's perception by the LIVs is the takeover by social conservatives, when the entire idea originally was based on fiscal conservatism.  Economic conservatism and social conservatism are two very different things.
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Re: Can Mike Lee Save the Tea Party?
« Reply #38 on: January 30, 2014, 02:43:56 am »
The meme social conservatives took over the TP is a false flag.  For example contrary to the constant harping otherwise, Akin wasn't the MO TP candidate - Sarah Steelman was.  Akin won because McCaskill and Reid recognized against a woman she would be toast and they ran ads against the other candidates playing up Akin. Akin was the Democrats dream candidate.. ask raml, she lives in MO......  and if you recall when Akin stepped all over himself the conservative TP wing of the GOP begged him to get out of the race and let Bruner or Steelman have a chance to defeat McCaskill...

One other thing.. if anyone co opted the TP it was actually Ron Paul, which in a strange way I think may help Rand Paul if he runs.
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Re: Can Mike Lee Save the Tea Party?
« Reply #39 on: January 30, 2014, 02:51:41 am »
[[ The question assumes that the TEA party movement NEEDS saving ]]

Viewed in hindsight, years from now, the TEA party may actually be seen as a "stalking horse" for a yet-to-be-formed and yet-unnamed party that eventually will replace the Republicans as "the second party" of American politics.

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Re: Can Mike Lee Save the Tea Party?
« Reply #40 on: January 30, 2014, 02:52:52 am »
The meme social conservatives took over the TP is a false flag.  For example contrary to the constant harping otherwise, Akin wasn't the MO TP candidate - Sarah Steelman was.  Akin won because McCaskill and Reid recognized against a woman she would be toast and they ran ads against the other candidates playing up Akin. Akin was the Democrats dream candidate.. ask raml, she lives in MO......  and if you recall when Akin stepped all over himself the conservative TP wing of the GOP begged him to get out of the race and let Bruner or Steelman have a chance to defeat McCaskill...

One other thing.. if anyone co opted the TP it was actually Ron Paul, which in a strange way I think may help Rand Paul if he runs.

Sarah Steelman is a social conservative and an active member of the First Christian Church.  What was your point?
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Re: Can Mike Lee Save the Tea Party?
« Reply #41 on: January 30, 2014, 02:56:49 am »
Sarah Steelman is a social conservative and an active member of the First Christian Church.  What was your point?

A lot of conservatives are both fiscal and social conservatives and don't go around making stupid comments like Akin which people use to smear the entire TP movement.  McCaskill was beatable - and polls at the time showed a woman stood the best change of defeating her, the person she did not want to run against was Steelman - not Akin.
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Re: Can Mike Lee Save the Tea Party?
« Reply #42 on: January 30, 2014, 03:30:52 am »
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Re: Can Mike Lee Save the Tea Party?
« Reply #43 on: January 30, 2014, 03:33:21 am »
[[ The question assumes that the TEA party movement NEEDS saving ]]

Viewed in hindsight, years from now, the TEA party may actually be seen as a "stalking horse" for a yet-to-be-formed and yet-unnamed party that eventually will replace the Republicans as "the second party" of American politics.

That is totally dependent on how things play out in the near term! If it goes the way I think it very well might there will be no need to pursue that course because the Republican party will have been transformed from within!
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"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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Re: Can Mike Lee Save the Tea Party?
« Reply #44 on: January 30, 2014, 03:50:46 am »
Interesting factoid from the SOTU last night. Twitter (which has become the go-to place for these speeches) was trending two things above all else last night.  Want to guess what it was?

#1- was Fox
#2 was The Blaze

and this came from (of all places) Politico....
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Re: Can Mike Lee Save the Tea Party?
« Reply #45 on: January 30, 2014, 06:38:57 am »
I've been gone all day. Get over yourself. I replied to your post and took out all but the part I replied to so you would know what I was replying to. What I didn't realize was I hit modify instead of quote since I was typing on my tiny little kindle and my fat fingers hit the wrong key.  No one moderated you and if you would have actually looked at the post you would see what I did was obvious to the most casual reader... if I wanted your posts moderated I would hit abuse like you do so liberally and let Myst contact you.
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Re: Can Mike Lee Save the Tea Party?
« Reply #46 on: January 30, 2014, 01:56:53 pm »
The meme social conservatives took over the TP is a false flag.  For example contrary to the constant harping otherwise, Akin wasn't the MO TP candidate - Sarah Steelman was.  Akin won because McCaskill and Reid recognized against a woman she would be toast and they ran ads against the other candidates playing up Akin. Akin was the Democrats dream candidate.. ask raml, she lives in MO......  and if you recall when Akin stepped all over himself the conservative TP wing of the GOP begged him to get out of the race and let Bruner or Steelman have a chance to defeat McCaskill...

One other thing.. if anyone co opted the TP it was actually Ron Paul, which in a strange way I think may help Rand Paul if he runs.

They didn't take over, they just glommed on.  They saw a star and hitched their wagon to it.  In the meantime, those who were more interested in fiscal sanity said "To Hell with this" and left.
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Re: Can Mike Lee Save the Tea Party?
« Reply #47 on: January 30, 2014, 02:11:30 pm »
Interesting factoid from the SOTU last night. Twitter (which has become the go-to place for these speeches) was trending two things above all else last night.  Want to guess what it was?

#1- was Fox
#2 was The Blaze

and this came from (of all places) Politico....

I want The Blaze!!!   :taz:

I'll probably die of old age before Comcast includes it, although they were mighty quick to take on Al Jazeera and Logo.

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Re: Can Mike Lee Save the Tea Party?
« Reply #48 on: January 30, 2014, 02:23:18 pm »
WELL???

Can Mike Lee save the Tea Party?

Pffft... no one can save the tea party, or the GOP. After the amnesty push, the right will be relegated to permanent back bencher status. You doubt me? Spend a few minutes reading the posts here.

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Re: Can Mike Lee Save the Tea Party?
« Reply #49 on: January 30, 2014, 02:37:18 pm »
I want The Blaze!!!   :taz:

I'll probably die of old age before Comcast includes it, although they were mighty quick to take on Al Jazeera and Logo.

We don't have cable tv anymore, but we get The Blaze through the internet.  We subscribe to The Blaze (costs under ten dollars a month).  We bought a little black box called Roku at Walmart (cost around fifty dollars for the basic model).   My husband just plugged in a few places and it was working!  We also get Netflix and lots of other channels - which we can now watch on our tv.  You could still subscribe to The Blaze and watch it on your computer monitor without having to do anything else.  I highly recommend it.
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