Tom Coburn to MSNBC: ‘I’m No Longer a Conservative’ According to Ted Cruz

[Bigun]

Listen to this and then tell me he isn't right as rain!

https://soundcloud.com/senator-ted-cruz/sen-ted-cruz-on-the-mark-levin

[DCPatriot]

Calling the JBS a "fringe outfit" today is nonetheless true. 

My goodness.....there are people out there today who vote that have never heard "John Birch Society" uttered, or seen it in print.

[Rapunzel]

And you can thank Tom Coburn for inviting this discussion, by willing appearing on MSNBC (of all places) to whine and bitch about his fellow Republican, or--- "eating his own," if you will.

 Something "a solid conservative" wouldn't be caught dead doing, by the way.

and....... not only that he went on CBS and praised Nancy Pelosi....... today he trashes Ted Cruz on MSNBC and  in 2010 he went on CBS to praise Nancy Pelosi and trash Fox News... and we are supposed to be mad at Cruz?

    Tom Coburn Knocks Fox News, Says Nancy Pelosi is a “Nice Person”
    CBS News ^ | 4/6/2010 | Brian Montopoli

    Posted on Tuesday, April 06, 2010 10:58:34 AM by OldGuard1

    Sen. Tom Coburn, a staunch conservative from Oklahoma, is doing what seems almost unthinkable in this polarized political climate: Defending his Democratic colleagues from critics at Fox News.

    At a town hall meeting, Coburn suggested that a woman who said “they can put us in prison” for not obtaining health insurance under the health care reform bill is misinformed.

    “The intention is not to put anybody in jail,” he said. “That makes for good TV news on Fox but that isn’t the intention.”

    He also defended House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the architect of the House version of the health care legislation that he fiercely opposed.

    “I’m 180 degrees in opposition to the speaker — she’s a nice lady,” he said. The crowd could be heard responding unfavorably to his characterization.

    “Come on now, she is a nice — how many of you all have met her?” continued Coburn. “She’s a nice person. She’s a nice person.”

    (Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com …

[Rapunzel]

Another thing is Cruz is saying if we have to have this then all of congress and their staffs should be on it, too.. yet Coburn was one of the people leading the charge to make certain Obama put through something to dismiss congress and staff from Obamacare.

[sinkspur]

And you can thank Tom Coburn for inviting this discussion, by willing appearing on MSNBC (of all places) to whine and bitch about his fellow Republican, or--- "eating his own," if you will.

 Something "a solid conservative" wouldn't be caught dead doing, by the way.

It could be that Coburn believes Cruz is damaging conservatism with his self-serving tactics.  I watch Morning Joe more and more these days (though I rarely agree with any of it) because that morning show actually deals with serious subjects.  Fox and Friends spent an entire week devoting segments to Duck Dynasty and silly contests pitting the male hosts against Elizabeth Hasselbeck. 

Conservatives don't hide on FOXNEWS.  If they do, they're speaking to the choir. 

I can't believe this place.  Now, Tom Coburn is persona non grata, all because of the antics of Ted Cruz, who's been in the Senate all of 15 minutes.

[sinkspur]

Another thing is Cruz is saying if we have to have this then all of congress and their staffs should be on it, too.. yet Coburn was one of the people leading the charge to make certain Obama put through something to dismiss congress and staff from Obamacare.

Link please.

[sinkspur]

and....... not only that he went on CBS and praised Nancy Pelosi....... today he trashes Ted Cruz on MSNBC and  in 2010 he went on CBS to praise Nancy Pelosi and trash Fox News... and we are supposed to be mad at Cruz?

    Tom Coburn Knocks Fox News, Says Nancy Pelosi is a “Nice Person”
    CBS News ^ | 4/6/2010 | Brian Montopoli

    Posted on Tuesday, April 06, 2010 10:58:34 AM by OldGuard1

    Sen. Tom Coburn, a staunch conservative from Oklahoma, is doing what seems almost unthinkable in this polarized political climate: Defending his Democratic colleagues from critics at Fox News.

    At a town hall meeting, Coburn suggested that a woman who said “they can put us in prison” for not obtaining health insurance under the health care reform bill is misinformed.

    “The intention is not to put anybody in jail,” he said. “That makes for good TV news on Fox but that isn’t the intention.”

    He also defended House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the architect of the House version of the health care legislation that he fiercely opposed.

    “I’m 180 degrees in opposition to the speaker — she’s a nice lady,” he said. The crowd could be heard responding unfavorably to his characterization.

    “Come on now, she is a nice — how many of you all have met her?” continued Coburn. “She’s a nice person. She’s a nice person.”

    (Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com …

So?  Ted Cruz has dinner with your mortal enemy John McCain and declares "I like John McCain." 

Tip O'Neil used to drink martinis with Ronald Reagan.

Have we become so jaded that a Republican who breaks bread with a Democrat is now the equivalent of the Taliban?

[Lipstick on a Hillary]

It could be that Coburn believes Cruz is damaging conservatism with his self-serving tactics.  I watch Morning Joe more and more these days (though I rarely agree with any of it) because that morning show actually deals with serious subjects. 

LOL!   Are you kidding?  And you call US certifiable?  Scarborough never shuts his yap long enough to allow another viewpoint, just like BOR, but he lacks BOR's intellect.   Is that the kind of "journalism" you respect?  Did you get off watching Scarborough smash-mouth that uppity Republican-Michael Steele this morning?   Maybe it's Mica's vapidness-we already know you love stupid women who know their place.

  Oh yeah, that's some high quality MSNBC journalism there.  Thanks for sharing that.   

[DCPatriot]

I don't care about the percentage assigned to Coburn to rate his Conservative pedigree.

He's a disgrace.  He chose his own personal welfare over the welfare of his constituency.  PERIOD!

He's a complete failure as an effective leader and/or spokeman of an opposition party.

As Cruz said the other day...if you attended one of the many lunches and meetings of the Republican Party, you come away needing therapy. 

They have no plan....no strategy except to wait until they're fortunate to win the majority so THEY can sign the checks.

As another poster suggested.....get rid of ALL these pantywaists and find somebody who has a set.

[Rapunzel]

The GOP controlled all 3 branches for 6 years during the Bush Administration. The same guys were there (Bohener, McConnell, Cantor, Cornyn and Coburn, Corker, etc. 

Tell us here:

1) What socialist and/or wasteful programs did they get rid of?
2) How much did they reduce the national debt and the deficit?
 
And keep in mind it was Boehner and Lindsay Graham who were behind running New Gingrich out of congress - back when we were actually getting control over our budget mess.

[Rapunzel]

Listen to this and then tell me he isn't right as rain!

https://soundcloud.com/senator-ted-cruz/sen-ted-cruz-on-the-mark-levin

There is an old saying:  Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

Someone finally stepped forward to lead and the rats are all scared as all get out and attacking... only the rats are supposed to be on our side.

[mystery-ak]

There is an old saying:  Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

Someone finally stepped forward to lead and the rats are all scared as all get out and attacking... only the rats are supposed to be on our side.

That's what Rush keeps saying...the rats and the status quo Repubs are scared to death..their phones are ringing off the hooks on Cap Hill

[Rapunzel]

That's what Rush keeps saying...the rats and the status quo Repubs are scared to death..their phones are ringing off the hooks on Cap Hill

I read on Twitter that they have actually taken their phones off the hook - guess they didn't like getting so many calls 

[Lipstick on a Hillary]

John Podhoretz posted his anti Cruz column on his FB page today, and promptly got ripped 9 ways from Sunday for it--by his FB friends.  I have never seen anything like it.

Joe Scarborough too--his whole audience (well, except sinky) have so little respect for him anymore--its really shocking to behold--and entertaining.    

[Rapunzel]

John Podhoretz posted his anti Cruz column on his FB page today, and promptly got ripped 9 ways from Sunday for it--by his FB friends.  I have never seen anything like it.

Joe Scarborough too--his whole audience (well, except sinky) have so little respect for him anymore--its really shocking to behold--and entertaining.   

Gee, I might have to friend Joe on FB just for entertainment purposes. 

[sinkspur]

LOL!   Are you kidding?  And you call US certifiable?  Scarborough never shuts his yap long enough to allow another viewpoint, just like BOR, but he lacks BOR's intellect.   Is that the kind of "journalism" you respect?  Did you get off watching Scarborough smash-mouth that uppity Republican-Michael Steele this morning?   Maybe it's Mica's vapidness-we already know you love stupid women who know their place.

  Oh yeah, that's some high quality MSNBC journalism there.  Thanks for sharing that.   

LOL!!  Fox and Friends is in serious trouble now that they hired that airhead Elizabeth Hasselbeck.  The ONLY reason to watch that morning show any longer is Brian Kilmeade, who could be the funniest man on television.

Anybody who can slap down Michael Steele is good people.  He's the emptiest suit to ever occupy a position of significance in the Republican Party.

[DCPatriot]

John Podhoretz posted his anti Cruz column on his FB page today, and promptly got ripped 9 ways from Sunday for it--by his FB friends.  I have never seen anything like it.

Joe Scarborough too--his whole audience (well, except sinky) have so little respect for him anymore--its really shocking to behold--and entertaining.   

The public attack on Senator Cruz by other high visible Republicans is tantamount to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor

.....in a sense that both have awakened a "sleeping giant".

Shove the bogus 23% favorability  ratings regarding the Tea Party....they were just napping.

Of course the Establishment will continue to delude themselves that it's just a small cabal of extremists causing the commotion.

[Rapunzel]

Love this response to Podhoretz......

The weak jelly knee'd blowhards need to be put out to pasture. Bring on the YOUNG LIONS of true conservatism. SICK of them caving to the left only to stay in power. Bless you Ted Cruz.

anecdotes like Durbin's ' friend Judy? I'm convinced she's just an anecdote. Or maybe 'composite' imaginary anecdotes like Cory Booker's friends T-Bone or Waznamacallit, or Obama's girlfriends?

Respectfully disagree, if GOP rolls over and funds Obama Care to avoid shutdown, it doesn't really increase the odds in 2014 and 2016, and even if the GOP owns everything in 2017, enough people will be on ObamaCare exchanges it will be impossible to roll back. Then the GOP becomes the UK Tories, their argument is they can more efficiently manage the welfare state driving the US bankrupt.

Ed is right, it's funny watching all these allegedly intelligent pundits get on the wrong side of history and the folks. Once an entitlement starts it is forever and we are already broke. This will doom America and the Republican establishment is going to help make it happen.

The flaw in your piece, sir, is that it ignores the "the fierce urgency of now" (to steal some social justice thunder). Tea Party politicians were elected to get things done now, not to adjust to electoral timetables.

A simple question, John Podhoretz: Just what, exactly, have the tactics of the non-Cruzites (for want of a better term) accomplished, in terms of turning back this horrible law?

Cruz is branding himself, so when these folks squeal because of health care mandate penalties, they'll remember the name of one person who unambiguously opposed it.

Obamacare will add (at least) hundreds of billions to future deficits and the national debt, while at the same time increasing the cost of medical care and decreasing the quality of care. The USSR's Politburo could not do a better job than the Obamacrats of destroying American medicine and undermining the economy.

Cruz is extremely intelligent and has shown great political courage. His marathon speech has heightened public awareness of the issues, no doubt reinforcing the public majority opinion that Obamacare is a huge mistake. This ultimately helps not only him but all conservatives in their efforts to stop the train. Cruz may be the leading contender in 2016, and would certainly be a stronger candidate than the GOP establishment types currently on the radar screen.

Obama is out there defending his healthcare plan, again. Why is that? Look at everything that is coming out now. Exchanges will have higher out of pocket expenses than claimed, the cap on out of pocket expenses has been delayed a year, the exchanges are not ready to go, and on and on. All of this was highlighted by Ted Cruz. What is the more admirable position for folks on the right to take? Do nothing? Wait for the program to be implemented and hope it collapses of its own weight? In light of everything we are finding out about Obamacare at the 11th hour, how can it be anything but good for Cruz to use his platform in the Senate to highlight these realities? Since when has one man standing up for what is right been a bad thing, or a futile thing?

bamacrats and other airheads have learned absolutely nothing from the collapse of the USSR and the failure of socialism everywhere it has been tried. They even want to resurrect the USSR right here in the USA with centralized planning, oppressive state controls, and waging war on individual rights. "Let's see, during the next 5 years we'll budget 500,000 appendectomies, 10 million echocardiograms, and 4 million knee transplants ........" Their arrogance and stupidity is stunning.

Here's my question for McConnell and Cornyn (and Rove)--so what's your solution, win the WH/Senate in 2016? Yeah? "Negotiate" a one year postponement of Obamacare linked to spending hikes? Obama would LOVE that....ease the pain of his train wreck another year. These guys are wimps. WIMPS.

And all of their "moderate" strategizing has failed. Again and again they think the way to win is to split the difference and move toward the middle and again and again they lose. But they don't learn! You have to stand for something. Everyone respects that. The Soviets said that it was when Reagan fired the air traffic controllers that they sat up and took notice. The man meant what he said.

[Lipstick on a Hillary]

LOL!!  Fox and Friends is in serious trouble now that they hired that airhead Elizabeth Hasselbeck.  The ONLY reason to watch that morning show any longer is Brian Kilmeade, who could be the funniest man on television.

Anybody who can slap down Michael Steele is good people.  He's the emptiest suit to ever occupy a position of significance in the Republican Party.

This from the poster lecturing the rest of us about dissing our own. 

Your Fox and Friends' ratings strawman is awfully empty-suitish, don'tcha think?  You can do better than that.

[sinkspur]

The GOP controlled all 3 branches for 6 years during the Bush Administration. The same guys were there (Bohener, McConnell, Cantor, Cornyn and Coburn, Corker, etc. 

Tell us here:

1) What socialist and/or wasteful programs did they get rid of?
2) How much did they reduce the national debt and the deficit?
 
And keep in mind it was Boehner and Lindsay Graham who were behind running New Gingrich out of congress - back when we were actually getting control over our budget mess.

Yes.  Of course.  Newt Gingrich, who resigned when it was about to be revealed he was poking his chief of staff while, at the same time, leading the charge against another horn dog, Bill Clinton. 

That Newt Gingrich?

[Rapunzel]

Yes, that Newt - the man who led to us balancing the budge, that Newt Gingrich

[DCPatriot]

Obama is out there defending his healthcare plan, again. Why is that?

And notice that he's only choosing venues such as high schools and community colleges....the "rookie fan base" camp.

[Bigun]

There is an old saying:  Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

Someone finally stepped forward to lead and the rats are all scared as all get out and attacking... only the rats are supposed to be on our side.

It isn't only the rats who are attacking unfortunately!

We finally have someone in high elected office who is doing EXACTLY what he said he would right down the line and the establishment is apoplectic over it!
 

[sinkspur]

Yes, that Newt - the man who led to us balancing the budge, that Newt Gingrich

This from the poster lecturing the rest of us about dissing our own. 

Your Fox and Friends' ratings strawman is awfully empty-suitish, don'tcha think?  You can do better than that.

Are  you serious?  Michael Steel couldn't manage a 7-11, and the idiot Republicans put him charge of the RNC where he promptly ran it into the ground.  Michael Steele is exhibit A for Affirmative Action, in action.

[sinkspur]

Yes, that Newt - the man who led to us balancing the budge, that Newt Gingrich

And Bill Clinton reformed welfare. 

Boys will be boys.