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Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
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« Reply #76 on: September 24, 2013, 11:16:50 pm »
We have a changing of the guard at the GOPe. I knew this was going to get traction when the RNC jumped in immediately on this today.. with Paul they waited till late in the evening... not this time, they sent out mass email mailings in support of Cruz almost as soon as he started talking.  People like McCain, Graham, etc., are flailing because they see what they considered their leadership roles in the GOP slipping from their war mongering hands.

Cruz's "filibuster" is not a filibuster as it stops nothing. 

Was General George Custer considered a successful general?
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Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
« Reply #77 on: September 24, 2013, 11:16:55 pm »
@TobyMarie 1h

Senate phone lines are jammed. Start using fax, social media. Go to http://www.dontfundobamacare.com  for list of twitter accounts.
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Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
« Reply #78 on: September 24, 2013, 11:17:46 pm »
 ‏@amandacarpenter 3h

CRUZ: "There is a tendency to view your constituents as an annoyance..I've heard senators complain, 'too many phone calls'"
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Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
« Reply #79 on: September 24, 2013, 11:19:17 pm »
I wonder what Mitch McConnell is thinking right now? LOL!

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Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
« Reply #80 on: September 24, 2013, 11:20:37 pm »
   

THAT is virtually the only reason Cruz is doing this.  He wants the recognition and to be anointed a "leading contender" for president in 2016.  His resume is thinner than Obama's was at this point in his career.

You really don't know anything about Ted Cruz do you?  At this point in Obama's career, he had on his resume State Senator (skipping meetings and voting present), worked at Harvard Law Review (taught a couple of classes a year) and Community Organizer.

Cruz's resume however....


    Solicitor General of Texas from 2003 - May 2008, Cruz was the first Hispanic Solicitor General in Texas, the youngest Solicitor General in the entire country, and had the longest tenure in Texas history.

    Partner at the law firm Morgan, Lewis & Bockius, where he led the firm’s U.S. Supreme Court and national appellate litigation practice.

    Cruz has authored 80+ SCOTUS briefs and presented 40+ oral arguments before The Court

    Cruz served as a law clerk to Chief Justice William Rehnquist. Cruz was the first Hispanic ever to clerk for a Chief Justice of the United States

    Described as a 'superb' constitutional lawyer, the man's considerable skills and laser-like focus were on display for all last week when he took oily reptile Eric Holder by the neck and made him answer the frickin question.

    In the landmark case of District of Columbia v. Heller, Cruz assembled a coalition of 31 states in defense of the principle that the 2nd Amendment guarantees an individual right to keep and bear arms.

    Cruz presented oral argument for the amici states in the companion case to Heller before the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit.

    In addition to his victory in Heller, Cruz has successfully defended the Ten Commandments monument on the Texas State Capitol grounds, the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools and the majority of the 2003 Texas redistricting plan. Cruz also successfully defended, in Medellin v. Texas, the State of Texas against an attempt by the International Court of Justice to re-open the criminal convictions of 51 murderers on death row throughout the United States.

    Director of the Office of Policy Planning at the Federal Trade Commission

    Domestic Policy Advisor to U.S. President George W. Bush on the 2000 Bush-Cheney campaign.

    Adjunct Professor of Law at the University of Texas School of Law in Austin, where he taught U.S. Supreme Court litigation


    AWARDS: "America's Leading Lawyers for Business," Chambers USA (2009 & 2010) "50 Most Influential Minority Lawyers in America," National Law Journal (2008) "25 Greatest Texas Lawyers of the Past Quarter Century," Texas Lawyer (2010) "20 Young Hispanic Americans on the Rise," Newsweek (1999) Traphagen Distinguished Alumnus, Harvard Law School

    On November 14, 2012, Cruz was appointed vice-chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee. He is now spearheading efforts in the Senate to have Obamacare repealed root-and-branch...
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That's about as thin as Honey Boo Boo's mom.

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Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
« Reply #81 on: September 24, 2013, 11:24:00 pm »
Tell that to Winston Churchill, who lost and lost and lost for a decade and still in the Wilderness he would not stay quiet.  He was reviled, particularly after Munich.  Yet it was he to whom Chamberlain had to turn after Poland, and then it was he to whom the nation turned after Norway...he was the one summoned by the King to lead.  Because he was the only consistent voice throughout...through all of his many defeats.

So now Cruz is Churchill.  Are you friggin' serious? 

Winston Churchill actually fought in a war, and didn't begin to campaign for Prime Minister 15 minutes after he came into public life.

The notion that the nation is going to turn to an arrogant self-promoter like Cruz when in trouble is laughable.

Cruz and Obama share one trait: narcissism. 
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« Reply #82 on: September 24, 2013, 11:25:18 pm »
I wonder what Mitch McConnell is thinking right now? LOL!

How about betraying Republican principles in the 2012 platform? He and Cornyn both.

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A source in Congress tells Breitbart News that Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and Senate Minority Whip John Cornyn are using their leadership positions to pressure other Republicans to oppose Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) in his campaign to defund Obamacare.

"Right now in the Senate, Mitch McConnell and John Cornyn are actively whipping Senators to shut down debate on the House continuing resolution so that Harry Reid can gut it with just 51 votes,” a senior congressional staffer with intimate knowledge of the situation said in an email to Breitbart News. “Unbelievably, they actually are leading the fight to fully fund Obamacare.”

McConnell and Cornyn stated earlier Monday that they oppose a possible filibuster from Cruz to keep Reid from adding language funding the Affordable Care Act to the continuing resolution passed by the House of Representatives...

Instead of helping Cruz with their power as Senate GOP leaders, McConnell and Cornyn are working against him, this senior staffer said. But in the end, they will try to make it appear as though they do not support funding Obamacare by voting against Reid’s amendment after allowing Reid to implement it. “Once it's a 51-vote threshold, both McConnell and Cornyn will hide behind a 'no' vote on Reid's amendment—so they will have yet another show vote,” the staffer said.

“To be clear, nobody is fighting harder to make sure Obamacare is funded than Mitch McConnell and John Cornyn,” the senior staffer added.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/23/Exclusive-McConnell-Cornyn-whipping-votes-against-Ted-Cruz
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Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
« Reply #83 on: September 24, 2013, 11:25:25 pm »
Well, now we know what username John McCain uses.

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Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
« Reply #84 on: September 24, 2013, 11:26:50 pm »
Well, now we know what username John McCain uses.

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Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
« Reply #85 on: September 24, 2013, 11:27:33 pm »
You really don't know anything about Ted Cruz do you?  At this point in Obama's career, he had on his resume State Senator (skipping meetings and voting present), worked at Harvard Law Review (taught a couple of classes a year) and Community Organizer.

Cruz's resume however....


    Solicitor General of Texas from 2003 - May 2008, Cruz was the first Hispanic Solicitor General in Texas, the youngest Solicitor General in the entire country, and had the longest tenure in Texas history.

    Partner at the law firm Morgan, Lewis & Bockius, where he led the firm’s U.S. Supreme Court and national appellate litigation practice.

    Cruz has authored 80+ SCOTUS briefs and presented 40+ oral arguments before The Court

    Cruz served as a law clerk to Chief Justice William Rehnquist. Cruz was the first Hispanic ever to clerk for a Chief Justice of the United States

    Described as a 'superb' constitutional lawyer, the man's considerable skills and laser-like focus were on display for all last week when he took oily reptile Eric Holder by the neck and made him answer the frickin question.

    In the landmark case of District of Columbia v. Heller, Cruz assembled a coalition of 31 states in defense of the principle that the 2nd Amendment guarantees an individual right to keep and bear arms.

    Cruz presented oral argument for the amici states in the companion case to Heller before the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit.

    In addition to his victory in Heller, Cruz has successfully defended the Ten Commandments monument on the Texas State Capitol grounds, the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools and the majority of the 2003 Texas redistricting plan. Cruz also successfully defended, in Medellin v. Texas, the State of Texas against an attempt by the International Court of Justice to re-open the criminal convictions of 51 murderers on death row throughout the United States.

    Director of the Office of Policy Planning at the Federal Trade Commission

    Domestic Policy Advisor to U.S. President George W. Bush on the 2000 Bush-Cheney campaign.

    Adjunct Professor of Law at the University of Texas School of Law in Austin, where he taught U.S. Supreme Court litigation


    AWARDS: "America's Leading Lawyers for Business," Chambers USA (2009 & 2010) "50 Most Influential Minority Lawyers in America," National Law Journal (2008) "25 Greatest Texas Lawyers of the Past Quarter Century," Texas Lawyer (2010) "20 Young Hispanic Americans on the Rise," Newsweek (1999) Traphagen Distinguished Alumnus, Harvard Law School

    On November 14, 2012, Cruz was appointed vice-chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee. He is now spearheading efforts in the Senate to have Obamacare repealed root-and-branch...
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That's about as thin as Honey Boo Boo's mom.

Yada, yada, yada.  Cruz cut his elective teeth on the Senate and, three months into the office, set his sights on the presidency.  He may play well in Texas but he's burning bridges right and left with his arrogance and abrasive personality.
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Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
« Reply #86 on: September 24, 2013, 11:28:02 pm »
It's not in motion, Lando.  The outcome is foreordained.  Cruz seems to champion causes he knows he can't win in order to convince his followers of his principle.  He did NOTHING to advance his cause with the House Republicans by attempting to shame them into a vote, admitting he's going to lose in the Senate, then turning right around and DEMANDING that the House vote to fund each government department singly.

He backed himself into a corner, so now he has to fight like hell (or at least LOOK like he is fighting like hell)  in order to avoid looking like a demagogue.

I am just cynical enough to believe that this is a personal, political calculation for Senator Cruz. But, he is engaged at this moment. Intents and purposes scarcely matter at this moment.
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Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
« Reply #87 on: September 24, 2013, 11:29:29 pm »
So now Cruz is Churchill.  Are you friggin' serious? 

Winston Churchill actually fought in a war, and didn't begin to campaign for Prime Minister 15 minutes after he came into public life.

The notion that the nation is going to turn to an arrogant self-promoter like Cruz when in trouble is laughable.

Cruz and Obama share one trait: narcissism.

The point wasn't that Cruz was a Churchill, the point was that you very much can advance a cause by losing with principle and by being consistent in your voice.  Ronald Reagan did that in 1976. And didn't you above compare Cruz to Custer?  He's as much a Churchill as he is a Custer.
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Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
« Reply #88 on: September 24, 2013, 11:29:50 pm »
ObamaCare will now be called McConnellCare
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Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
« Reply #89 on: September 24, 2013, 11:31:01 pm »
   

THAT is virtually the only reason Cruz is doing this.  He wants the recognition and to be anointed a "leading contender" for president in 2016.  His resume is thinner than Obama's was at this point in his career.

Oh no it isn't! He's doing it because he said he would! Something I wish many more "republicans" would emulate!

And he is accomplishing another thing as well. He is exposing the RINO Ba$%^$% who need to GO as well! If John Cornyn doesn't get fully on board with this DAMNED soon he will soon be the ex senator from Texas!

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Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
« Reply #90 on: September 24, 2013, 11:31:54 pm »
I am just cynical enough to believe that this is a personal, political calculation for Senator Cruz. But, he is engaged at this moment. Intents and purposes scarcely matter at this moment.

Well, I don't care what Cruz's motives are..he is saying and doing something...saying what all of us feel..
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« Reply #91 on: September 24, 2013, 11:32:06 pm »
Yada, yada, yada.  Cruz cut his elective teeth on the Senate and, three months into the office, set his sights on the presidency.  He may play well in Texas but he's burning bridges right and left with his arrogance and abrasive personality.

First, Cruz isn't abrasive. He is a pretty likable guy. The only people he is pissing off are old RINOs like McCain because he is challenging them. Among his constituents, he is very popular.

Second, Cruz has never said he is running for President. Others like to say he is to discount what he is doing as having an ulterior motive. He actually said back in July he is not running.
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2013/07/22/sen-ted-cruz-says-not-focused-on-running-for-president-in-2016/

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« Reply #92 on: September 24, 2013, 11:32:47 pm »
The point wasn't that Cruz was a Churchill, the point was that you very much can advance a cause by losing with principle and by being consistent in your voice.  Ronald Reagan did that in 1976. And didn't you above compare Cruz to Custer?  He's as much a Churchill as he is a Custer.

Now Cruz is Reagan.  You're hellbent to put Cruz into the pantheon of great men when all he's done so far is embarrassed himself.
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Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
« Reply #93 on: September 24, 2013, 11:33:30 pm »
 McConnell I hope is history...can't tell me the good people of Kentucky want this boondoggle called Obamacare.
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« Reply #94 on: September 24, 2013, 11:33:51 pm »
Now Cruz is Reagan.  You're hellbent to put Cruz into the pantheon of great men when all he's done so far is embarrassed himself. me.
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« Reply #95 on: September 24, 2013, 11:34:10 pm »
First, Cruz isn't abrasive. He is a pretty likable guy. The only people he is pissing off are old RINOs like McCain because he is challenging them. Among his constituents, he is very popular.

Second, Cruz has never said he is running for President. Others like to say he is to discount what he is doing as having an ulterior motive. He actually said back in July he is not running.
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2013/07/22/sen-ted-cruz-says-not-focused-on-running-for-president-in-2016/

He's been to Iowa three times.  Why the hell else, unless you're from Iowa, would a Senator go to Iowa?
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Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
« Reply #96 on: September 24, 2013, 11:34:39 pm »
This Ph.D would disagree with Sink......

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Now in the 5th hour of filibuster, Senator Cruz's presentation is flawless and impassioned. What a speaker! What a leader!
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« Reply #97 on: September 24, 2013, 11:35:02 pm »
Now Cruz is Reagan.  You're hellbent to put Cruz into the pantheon of great men when all he's done so far is embarrassed himself.

Embarrassed himself??? SURELY you must be joking!

Perhaps you should venture over to Twitter and see for yourself just how much he is "embarrassing" himself!
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UPDATE: SARAH PALIN TO CRUZ: 'Stay Strong'

After an appearance on Fox News' Cavuto in which she had Cruz's back and her exclusive op-ed for Breitbart News over the weekend gave Cruz air cover and lit up the political world, the politician whom Cruz said he would not be in the Senate without weighed in on Twitter and supported Cruz, saying that "fortifying caribou jerky" was on its way to Texas as well:

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Sarah Palin        ✔ @SarahPalinUSA

Stay strong @SenTedCruz! Wear comfortable shoes. As we did for Rand Paul, fortifying caribou jerky is on it's way #KeepCruzing #MakeDCListen
6:06 PM - 24 Sep 2013

At this year's CPAC, Cruz said he would not be in the Senate were it not for Palin, who endorsed Cruz during the 2012 Texas Senate primary at a time when Cruz was not assured to make the runoff against moderate Republican Texas Lieutenant Governor David Dewhurst. Former South Carolina Senator and current Heritage Foundation President Jim DeMint, whose mantle Cruz is taking up in the Senate, said nobody has more influence in a Republican primary than Palin. Cruz's campaign prominently featured Palin on its website and in radio and television ads, and Cruz eventually made the runoff against Dewhurst and eventually won the nomination and the Senate seat. The Senate's landscape would be a lot different had Dewhurst been elected to the Senate from Texas, which is what many in the Republican establishment wanted.

Cruz, unlike many who have come to Washington to change it only to be changed by it, has not proverbially seen the Washington, D.C. cesspool as a jacuzzi and has danced with the one that brung him. He repeatedly emphasizes that he is accountable to the grassroots and not the mainstream media and Republican establishment, which has surprised political reporters who are accustomed to conservatives being co-opted by Washington's establishment.
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Re: Ted Cruz Talking Filibuster in progress
« Reply #99 on: September 24, 2013, 11:37:03 pm »
Rep. Steve Stockman ‏@ReElectStockman 1m

MT @FreedomWorks @SenTedCruz is reading off over 300 businesses forced to make cuts due to #ObamaCare http://keepcruzing.com  #makeDClisten
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