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Re: Bolton: NSA leaker Edward Snowden is guilty of treason
« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2013, 01:39:27 PM »
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does anyone really think that hardcore terrorists were communicating in the open via telephone or internet? 
The Boston bombers - terrorists - got their bomb-making instructions via the internet, didn't they? I'm not sure what a hardcore terrorist is. Seems to me that anyone who harbors thoughts of committing an act - any act - of terrorisms is hardcore enough. Even  schmucks like the Tsarnaev brothers can cause plenty of mayhem.
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Re: Bolton: NSA leaker Edward Snowden is guilty of treason
« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2013, 01:40:52 PM »
Apparently, it's not just Verizon. It's all telephone services.

How do you think the FBI was able to listen to telephone conversations that Tamerlan Tsarnaev and his wife had *before* the bombing occurred?

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Re: Bolton: NSA leaker Edward Snowden is guilty of treason
« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2013, 01:44:25 PM »
The Boston bombers - terrorists - got their bomb-making instructions via the internet, didn't they? I'm not sure what a hardcore terrorist is. Seems to me that anyone who harbors thoughts of committing an act - any act - of terrorisms is hardcore enough. Even  schmucks like the Tsarnaev brothers can cause plenty of mayhem.

Fair enough.  But, as GourmetDan points out - having that information didn't do us a lick of good, did it?

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Re: Bolton: NSA leaker Edward Snowden is guilty of treason
« Reply #28 on: June 10, 2013, 01:46:51 PM »
Fair enough.  But, as GourmetDan points out - having that information didn't do us a lick of good, did it?

The point I was making was that the phone calls were recorded before the event when there was no reason to record them.

This means that all phone calls are recorded as they are made.


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Re: Bolton: NSA leaker Edward Snowden is guilty of treason
« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2013, 01:48:04 PM »
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The current culture deviated radically from previous human experience, ruthlessly reducing each woman and man to mere political units to be manipulated, balkanizing them into communities according to their likes and dislikes, so everything from cars to candy bars could be more effectively marketed, robbing them of their privacy, denying them both a real community of diverse views and the possibility of personal evolution by censoring the world they saw through the Internet to make it conform to the preferred beliefs of their self-appointed betters. - Dean Koontz

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Re: Bolton: NSA leaker Edward Snowden is guilty of treason
« Reply #30 on: June 10, 2013, 04:28:40 PM »
" Oaths mean nothing if I believe I am honoring a higher cause."

I believe that's straight out of The Punisher...Thomas Jane Version.
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Re: Bolton: NSA leaker Edward Snowden is guilty of treason
« Reply #31 on: June 10, 2013, 04:30:19 PM »
Fair enough.  But, as GourmetDan points out - having that information didn't do us a lick of good, did it?
Only because those charged with protecting us chose to ignore it.
That's a whole different issue.
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Re: Bolton: NSA leaker Edward Snowden is guilty of treason
« Reply #32 on: June 10, 2013, 05:23:08 PM »
Pretty clear cut to me.  The government is spying on all of us without cause.  Rand Paul is right, it they suspect we did something then get a warrant, no warrant no spying. Period.  Another thing he said is they collect so much data they cannot see the forest for the trees, thus the real criminals - like Tsaraneav slips though the cracks...  they were warned about them and that would have been appropriate for a warrant and more - yet they didn't even know they left the country.

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